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Servers => General Server Chat => Topic started by: Theremin on March 23, 2016, 03:49:59 am

Title: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Theremin on March 23, 2016, 03:49:59 am
I'd like to request a ban of a server from masterlist because of using malicious scripts created with the purpose of screwing players game. Here is the IP+port: 89.73.158.126:2301 and here is my proof against it:

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2n15q9l.jpg)

Check very carefully the last joining time 16:36

(http://i64.tinypic.com/1ryvye.jpg)

Check very carefully the first three files (handling.cfg, gta.dat and weapons.dat) all three with the same last modified time and date and 0 kb as size

(http://i63.tinypic.com/293ionm.jpg)

Now see the creation date of these three files, gta.dat and weapons.dat are non vanilla game files even though they use similar names of original ones (gta3.dat and weapon.dat) and they have both been created the 22 of March 2016, at 16:36:58, and last modified at 16:37:17 of the same day. The third file handling.cfg is a vanilla game file and here you can see it's been created a while ago (30 January 2016, when I installed the game) yet still it has been modified again at the 16:37 today. All those files if opened are blank.

What got me suspicious is that when I tried joining other servers in the evening, I couldn't cause my game kept crashing instantly, even before it got to the loading screen. To cut a long story short, by doing a quick ip lookup, the server probably belongs to Kewun, everything but unknown for ruining others' gameplay.

@Players: Be on the lookout for this server IP, or for Poland geobased IPs in case he has dynamic IP (and I think he does), as it can screw some of your data files, and if you have no backup, like me right now, it will be a pain in the ass getting others or reinstalling your game.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: PerikiyoXD on March 23, 2016, 03:59:56 am
+1, happened to me too. I'm trying to get some backup folder to you if this happens.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: neocortex on March 23, 2016, 07:28:19 am
solution

have backups or if you have steam version of gta 3 just verify cache. dats it
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Atheros on March 23, 2016, 08:49:43 am
Ok, i agree. it was me. (Kewun)
theres no reason to hide my self.

Anyways i can do same with windows files just changing the paths.
Works on every windows. I have tested that.

edit: yep i have dynamic ip, so?
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: rwwpl on March 23, 2016, 09:22:34 am
Data folder backup: http://lu-dm.y0.pl/plikirww/backup/iii/data.7z (http://lu-dm.y0.pl/plikirww/backup/iii/data.7z)
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Motley on March 24, 2016, 04:20:34 am
And people wonder why I left Liberty Unleashed!!!!! Let alone with the "fuckpc file that server owners can use as it can corrupt files including hal.dll Windows xp nightmare, luckily I still have all of my floppy disk to rescue my OS.

::Suggestion: Block the Geoip of Poland connection. This is horrible way but will solve your issues,.

And yet of all people "Theremin" Really come on now!

Suggestion I would only trust rwwpl server, Theremin's server

I would not trust Aurora as the owner is the originator of the file so as he said the file can be modified to corrupt other files. All it takes is for the server owner to execute the file to direct to your pc, You cant trust people on the INTERNET This is why I prefer to be just a server owner.. As I will not play other servers unless the server is passworded and locked!
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Zack on March 26, 2016, 06:33:14 pm
And people wonder why I left Liberty Unleashed!!!!! Let alone with the "fuckpc file that server owners can use as it can corrupt files including hal.dll Windows xp nightmare, luckily I still have all of my floppy disk to rescue my OS.

::Suggestion: Block the Geoip of Poland connection. This is horrible way but will solve your issues,.

And yet of all people "Theremin" Really come on now!

Suggestion I would only trust rwwpl server, Theremin's server

I would not trust Aurora as the owner is the originator of the file so as he said the file can be modified to corrupt other files. All it takes is for the server owner to execute the file to direct to your pc, You cant trust people on the INTERNET This is why I prefer to be just a server owner.. As I will not play other servers unless the server is passworded and locked!


That doesn't means I still exploiting that method. I stopped since most of my enemies left from LU, or, at least they had a XP upgrade. Can't you just instead of blaming me upgrade your PC to a better one with at least Vista? Also, since the 0.1.0.15 LU was compiled without any UAC bypass.

+ thanks to this little exploit everyone could make his own ban system better instead of blaming LU devs bcs no one doesn't update.
 - I'm replying from this user/account bcs I'm tired of bypassing that subnet ban to my services -
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Motley on March 26, 2016, 08:39:40 pm
There isn't anything wrong with my os!

The problem is that a really nice Multiplayer modification turned into a real freaking joke!

I personally think LU developers became incompetent as instead of making LU better they have to fix the hacks which is a turn off! Instead of focusing that they could be putting time on fixing player.WeaponAmmo etc

GTA 3 was designed for Windows Xp and functionality for older os. So your statement is invalid.
You and the rest of the people that do stuff like this is why player count is low as well as server count! When was the last time anyone had to scroll through servers in the browser?!
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Zack on March 26, 2016, 10:43:32 pm
There isn't anything wrong with my os!

The problem is that a really nice Multiplayer modification turned into a real freaking joke!

I personally think LU developers became incompetent as instead of making LU better they have to fix the hacks which is a turn off! Instead of focusing that they could be putting time on fixing player.WeaponAmmo etc

GTA 3 was designed for Windows Xp and functionality for older os. So your statement is invalid.
You and the rest of the people that do stuff like this is why player count is low as well as server count! When was the last time anyone had to scroll through servers in the browser?!

I was talking about LU, not GTA3. And I never saw in my life more of 10 servers.
In 2013, when I was exploring all GTA (i was playing mainly MTA:SA) and I found LU, it never had more of 3 servers and more of 5 players.
Even you can see Aurora has the biggest player average (>3.87)
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: PerikiyoXD on March 26, 2016, 10:53:20 pm
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There isn't anything wrong with my os!
XP is old. Actually, is not suported by MS. You should use something stronger in security terms. (PLZ dont blame me if there are vulnerabilities for W7, becoz XP have millions.)

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+ thanks to this little exploit everyone could make his own ban system better instead of blaming LU devs bcs no one doesn't update.
Actually, any ban system can be bypassed if you can so easily change your UID and IP. There is no way for an effective punish. Some people mistakenly thinks that BAN is something wrong. Its a way to punish a bad behavior. You have to deal with it, you should not try to bypass it. (We are going a bit offtopic on here.)

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GTA 3 was designed for Windows Xp and functionality for older os. So your statement is invalid.
Well, as i said, XP was officially dropped by MS. You have to evolve. You have to face that there are people trying to fuck someone else. Always will be one trying to.

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I would not trust Aurora as the owner is the originator of the file
Well, If he uses that, he should have a reason. But using "fuckpc" scripts is a bit hypocrite, as if you get hurt, you will attack that guy's pc.

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Even you can see Aurora has the biggest player average (>3.87)
Dude, i dont really think this is what is important.

Having hacks, ways to damage people through servers is not good. The only way to protect ourselves is not playing LU anymore. This people, trying to battle between them is creating a conflict in the -everyday more rubbish and decadent- community. I used to love those old days in lolmortuary!:D server and the old CZ server. Those were good. Time goes by. You cant say that you did big damage to the community.

Also, why the heck are the Locked servers changing names everytime? Its not funny having people looking your PC and having "www.pornhub.com" as a server name. Its disgusting.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Atheros on March 26, 2016, 11:00:17 pm
Also i can create files filled with 50 mb, 1 gb
I can fill disks.

and yep only what i have to do, is just change the path to C:/Windows/system32/drivers/tcpip.sys
and done.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Theremin on March 27, 2016, 01:18:13 am
Fine I didn't want to reply before because I wanted this discussion to stay on topic, but since apparently nobody is going to do anything about it let's discuss. (and if I'm wrong, developers and forum moderators, come here to write I'm wrong)

Also, why the heck are the Locked servers changing names everytime? Its not funny having people looking your PC and having "www.pornhub.com" as a server name. Its disgusting.

That's Kewun, he's exploiting a bug in the Admin Panel script, and he locked that server so that only he has access to it.

@Kewun: interesting, so you're trying to look like the good guy that finds an exploit and he's going to report it in order to have it fixed? If it were so, why didn't you do it back then, and also, did you have "to test it" on everyone? Keep going this way, and in the worst case scenario one day you'll wonder why you'll be the only one playing in LU or why that server closed or why LU is dead. In that occurrence then you'll have no ban to evade, no owner to challenge and nobody to show uber haxxing skills to, but you could play with yourself and get bored as hell.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Atheros on March 27, 2016, 09:53:58 am
cool then i like when its empty  8)
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: 2204 on April 09, 2016, 11:45:18 pm
Ah just forget it.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: SugarD on May 03, 2016, 08:23:00 pm
I've forwarded the topic to VRocker to look into.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: VRocker on June 05, 2016, 06:27:55 pm
ok so i jsut got around to looking at this. All i can say is WTF... and not to you guys but to us...

Something was enabled in the client-side squirrel scripts which allowed this. No idea who did it (it may have been me in the early hours of the morning...) but those functions have now been removed. Atleast i hope thats what they were using otherwise i'll have to have another look.

Oh and with regards to the XP discussion in the topic, Get off XP you pleb. An XP box can be compromised in seconds and its actually what we use to teach apprentices security where i work. We setup a bench of XP machines and show them how they can be broken without even touching them. And yes, they have all the updates, a firewall and an up-to-date antivirus installed.
Plus, it's a pain to maintain software for XP these days. Chances are that the next LU update, which fixes these issues, won't work with XP. Mainly because it's effort to install the stupid XP targetting pack in VS2015. My current test builds will not run on anything older than Vista. The upsides to this is there are certain security and performance features which can now be activated.

Dropping XP support is to save you guys who insist on staying on it. If you have a machine that runs XP, DO NOT CONNECT IT TO THE INTERNET.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Vortrex on June 05, 2016, 06:43:34 pm
I don't know anybody who uses a computer that's 15 years old, so why do people insist on using an OS that's just as old?

It'd be like running a car with way too many miles. Eventually, it's not safe for the road.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: SugarD on June 05, 2016, 09:18:20 pm
I don't know anybody who uses a computer that's 15 years old, so why do people insist on using an OS that's just as old?

It'd be like running a car with way too many miles. Eventually, it's not safe for the road.
People don't like change. Installing a new OS means learning everything all over again, and that also increases the chance of programs breaking or malfunctioning. Vista and above is also a huge learning curve to users that have only used XP before. Regardless, I agree. They need to upgrade immediately.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Piterus on June 05, 2016, 10:47:18 pm
LU logic:
GTA III can be run on Windows 98. Unofficial multiplayer can be run only on system about 10 years later..
Good luck in creating a community of players :| (3 players online at the time of writing the post. Very probably with e.g XP). By the way, very interesting when you played the last time in the multiplayer more than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: SugarD on June 05, 2016, 11:07:05 pm
LU logic:
GTA III can be run on Windows 98. Unofficial multiplayer can be run only on system about 10 years later..
Good luck in creating a community of players :| (3 players online at the time of writing the post. Very probably with e.g XP). By the way, very interesting when you played the last time in the multiplayer more than 5 minutes.
Considering a majority of the world runs Windows 7 and above, they should not be using Windows 98 or XP. If you are on Windows 98, you desperately need to upgrade. Windows 98 by default doesn't even support CPU's over 2.0GHz on purpose.

And by your logic, we should have stopped playing GTA III back in the late 1990's.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: AdTec_224 on June 05, 2016, 11:13:46 pm
LU logic:
GTA III can be run on Windows 98. Unofficial multiplayer can be run only on system about 10 years later..
Good luck in creating a community of players :| (3 players online at the time of writing the post. Very probably with e.g XP). By the way, very interesting when you played the last time in the multiplayer more than 5 minutes.

You're an idiot. Just because GTA III runs on an OS well over 10 years old doesn't mean we should still support an OS even Microsoft themselves have dropped support for, hell even GTA modding tools are dropping XP support an example of that would be Magic.TXD.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Vortrex on June 05, 2016, 11:56:35 pm
Piterus logic:
Everybody needs to use Windows 98 just because GTA 3 can run on it. Oh, by the way, we live in a time where it's unsafe but oh well, at least you can run GTA 3, right?


Now, where did I put the meme about that professor from Futurama that says "I don't want to live on this planet anymore?"

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Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Ankris on June 06, 2016, 12:18:35 am
Now, where did I put the meme about that professor from Futurama that says "I don't want to live on this planet anymore?"

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/a1jCVIf_WQg/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Piterus on June 06, 2016, 01:17:42 am
You're an idot.

If you've been insulting someone, do it without errors. Im not interested in your opinion about me. This is not the main subject here.

That's what happens in LU best captures the counter online players and migration players to other MP. Nothing more.

Btw, your last post here was in 2014. You are very active here. Wb.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: AdTec_224 on June 06, 2016, 01:33:52 am
Yes i will admit that was pretty embarrassing :-[ but my point still stands and as VRocker said XP machines shouldn't even be online nowadays they are far too vulnerable to attack. What does activity have to do with this? this entire mod hasn't been active for about the same length of time but that's 'not the main subject here'.

Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: synapse on June 06, 2016, 04:46:04 pm
how about debian machines?
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: ermaccer on June 06, 2016, 09:18:56 pm
You abandon XP for simple reason, nut enough skillz to write good security code.
It's like this "hey hey, we don't need to care about XP plebs, we will ignore them and say that our code won't work there"
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Mainly because it's effort to install the stupid XP targetting pack in VS2015.
This isn't a reason at all.
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An XP box can be compromised in seconds and its actually what we use to teach apprentices security where i work
Maybe you was responsible for all those "attacks"?
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: AdTec_224 on June 07, 2016, 12:49:20 am
You abandon XP for simple reason, nut enough skillz to write good security code.
It's like this "hey hey, we don't need to care about XP plebs, we will ignore them and say that our code won't work there".

Yes that totally must be it</sarcasm> i mean it's not like more than half our dev team work as software developers for proper companies.

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Mainly because it's effort to install the stupid XP targetting pack in VS2015.
This isn't a reason at all.

What is a good enough reason is the performance and security features we can use by targeting an OS that isn't over a decade old.

There is and NEVER will be a good reason to continue supporting XP.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: SugarD on June 07, 2016, 01:56:18 am
You abandon XP for simple reason, nut enough skillz to write good security code.
You do realize that XP itself is the security issue here, and not LU, right?

XP itself is the limitation against better security protocols. Microsoft itself ended support for it for a reason...
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Piterus on June 07, 2016, 02:46:10 pm
(http://img.vc-mp.eu/images/o3BMhHZSe.jpg)

This Poll was 9 July 2014. I wonder what percentage of players in LU has a XP system now. 36,7% to 43,4% (11 to 13/30 players) is pretty much in multiplayer with a very small community of players.

(http://img.vc-mp.eu/images/xtuAb8.jpg)
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: SugarD on June 07, 2016, 04:50:56 pm
([url]http://img.vc-mp.eu/images/o3BMhHZSe.jpg[/url])

This Poll was 9 July 2014. I wonder what percentage of players in LU has a XP system now. 36,7% to 43,4% (11 to 13/30 players) is pretty much in multiplayer with a very small community of players.

([url]http://img.vc-mp.eu/images/xtuAb8.jpg[/url])

Not only are there way more than 30 unique players using LU, but as you said yourself, that is from 2014. It is now mid 2016, and numerous OS releases have come about since that time. Using that poll today is like saying the number of people using a cell phone in the 80's is still the same number of people using them today. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm sorry to say, but XP is old and outdated. It is unsafe. There is absolutely no reason to stay on it. Even MS ended support for running it in a VM because nearly every old program that exists which ran on it will run in the newer OS'es too. Sticking to XP is just asking to be hacked. It has been out for far too long now, and it is no longer receiving updates.

I, myself, have a copy of XP along with several other OS'es on a hard drive somewhere, but I wouldn't dare use it as my primary one anymore. That would just be pure stupidity. The cost of newer OS'es is so cheap at this point that not upgrading would be insanity.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Piterus on June 07, 2016, 05:46:17 pm
Using that poll today is like saying the number of people using a cell phone in the 80's is still the same number of people using them today. It just doesn't make sense.

(http://img.vc-mp.eu/images/xWT9DB.jpg)
In 2014 was exactly the same problem and the same arguments.

Maybe I ask otherwise. Do you think after " new update" LU will have more players than now? What if not?
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: SugarD on June 07, 2016, 05:49:22 pm
Using that poll today is like saying the number of people using a cell phone in the 80's is still the same number of people using them today. It just doesn't make sense.

([url]http://img.vc-mp.eu/images/xWT9DB.jpg[/url])
In 2014 was exactly the same problem and the same arguments.

Let's see...I wonder why:

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After 12 years, support for Windows XP ended April 8, 2014.


Maybe I ask otherwise. Do you think after " new update" LU will have more players than now? What if not?

That is not really relevant to the argument you are trying to make. I get that you are implying less people will play because they are using Windows XP, but most of those people have probably already moved on to newer OS'es, or don't play LU at all anymore.

As for the actual question, yes, I do. Progress tends to attract users.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: AdTec_224 on June 07, 2016, 07:36:10 pm
So you link to that poll and say 'look some players are still on XP' alright fair enough BUT there is a bigger percentage NOT on XP, so what you're actually implying is, you want us to continue to support XP for the few people still living in the stone age while people with more modern OS'es loose out on the performance and security enhancements available when dropping support.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Piterus on June 07, 2016, 08:49:10 pm
Well, I don't need to know anything more. XP users will stop playing, just as you don't play for a few years. Indifferent to you how many players will play. In the end, it's an old problem (here (http://forum.liberty-unleashed.co.uk/index.php/topic,2044.0.html) and surely few others topics). Now, nobody protests, because no one plays. Gratz and good luck with that attitude in relations to the players. ** Progress tends to attract users.**
Pround User Windows 8.1

Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: AdTec_224 on June 08, 2016, 12:03:14 am
Well, I don't need to know anything more. XP users will stop playing, just as you don't play for a few years. Indifferent to you how many players will play. In the end, it's an old problem (here ([url]http://forum.liberty-unleashed.co.uk/index.php/topic,2044.0.html[/url]) and surely few others topics). Now, nobody protests, because no one plays. Gratz and good luck with that attitude in relations to the players. ** Progress tends to attract users.**
Pround User Windows 8.1

See that makes it sound like we don't care about our players, but we do. This change is for the betterment of the community and will only improve the mod, better performance and security enhancements can only help stablize the mod and thus the end users (you) will have a better experience.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: The_GTA on June 08, 2016, 08:02:14 am
Why Magic.TXD has dropped XP support:

We want to provide the best quality tool for our most capable users. But the Windows XP features destroyed many things (no SRW locks, separate CRT, ...). This is long after official MS support ended. Windows XP has always been dreaded by developers as black sheep. So we cut it.

I am glad LU is doing the right thing. People, please update to at least Win 7.

Also I would like to comment on this file modification capability. I find it most worrying that there is no security feature that prevents modifying the OS or the game itself.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: AdTec_224 on June 08, 2016, 10:50:15 pm
Also I would like to comment on this file modification capability. I find it most worrying that there is no security feature that prevents modifying the OS or the game itself.

This issue has been addressed and will be in the next update, I have no idea why Squirrels IO library was ever included clientside to begin with.
Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Vortrex on June 08, 2016, 10:54:13 pm
Has the issue with random LUID hacks been addressed as well?

I think a LUID CRC check on connect would be nice, to make sure they aren't able to use a random one.

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Title: Re: Requesting a ban from the masterlist
Post by: Ankris on June 09, 2016, 05:52:41 pm
Has the issue with random LUID hacks been addressed as well?


http://mantis.liberty-unleashed.co.uk/view.php?id=111 (http://mantis.liberty-unleashed.co.uk/view.php?id=111)