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Liberty Unleashed => Liberty Unleashed Chat => Topic started by: Theremin on April 02, 2016, 02:13:08 am

Title: The end of LU?
Post by: Theremin on April 02, 2016, 02:13:08 am

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Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Motley on April 02, 2016, 07:08:26 am

Yes! This is the End of Liberty Unleashed.

[Kinda Rant]
We need to get the community together, The Newbies, Hackers, everyone people that we hate, people that we like, etc, We need to all get together and create videos all on one server[So its a full server].

Maybe someone in this community has the software and knowledge to compile the videos into an interesting video,. We need to put that video on our you-tube accounts and attempt to advertise as much as possible. If not Its going to get worse.

We need a Good Script release as well, Seems like VC:MP likes SQ-Lite If there is a release more people may come from VC:MP as well as a possible player base,. I do not want to see this being the end as I have noticed this more and more.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: neocortex on April 02, 2016, 08:05:44 am

i suppose internet list is just down a bit, no need worry servers comes back on soon

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Revenger on April 02, 2016, 11:09:13 am

So I went back to Liberty Unleashed and I saw that Aurora had been terminated from the list, there's only four servers left and only two are playable from my knowledge (they aren't password locked.)

Quote from: neocortex on April 02, 2016, 08:05:44 am

i suppose internet list is just down a bit, no need worry servers comes back on soon

Hopefully that's the case. Hope the servers come back soon on the internet list.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: xIsagani on April 05, 2016, 09:00:31 am

this makes me sad. :(

i wish more players will come in the near future :)

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: 2204 on April 09, 2016, 08:57:18 am

No.. not the end.. The only reason its the end is because nobody is doing anything to help gather people to the community..

Lets do something about it! Maybe have a famous youtuber or twitch streamer play the mod?

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Motley on April 09, 2016, 10:19:16 pm

Since we're a little off topic how about I lay down part reason of the truth!

No Updates
Hackers can do whatever
real server owner's have left due to not being able to update there scripts due to broken LU functions
With this the owners have shut down the servers allowing LU to rust into the internet making LU unknown and the player base has shut down and followed the server owners to VCMP!
Where player count is high.

The last will and testament would be for Vrocker to come back and release a BAD ASS UPDATE!!!!!!!!!
hell throw in not very well synced pedestrians and players will instantly come back.

FREAKING ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Theremin on April 09, 2016, 11:03:12 pm

@2204: Me and few other people have been struggling and trying hard to gather players for years now, how can you say that nobody ever did anything about that? Just look at my own YT channel, it's filled with videos about LU, or check LU-DM site, you can see that they managed to create a community of polish players in LU or bring them from VC:MP, at least as long as their server was hosted; the ones who still keep their server online 24/7, possibly facing the costs of it, or even better the ones are updating their servers up to today. I'm no famous youtuber, yet still each now and then I get people asking me about LU or that come here telling me that a video of mine attracted them, but as neocortex said in one his last posts "players doesn't seem to stay in lu that long anymore." which is just the plain truth, players still come nowadays, but they also leave a lot faster. What else can I write? Your idea is great, but who would do that, and how are we supposed to convince him/her?

Out of all the possible complaints the thing which annoys me the most it's not the frequent crashes, or the hackers, or the lack of updates, none of them. It's the nonexistent support here in the forum. Why don't they bother replying to topics or PMs, we don't have such an amount of topics that you could say it really takes time to keep up with them. In my opinion, this mod didn't look that abandoned as long as they cared to drop a line each now and then.

Anyway I'm glad that you 2204 shared your opinion. Not many people post here anymore, especially the ones who have had an account here for a while, just me and few others invaded this dead land and colonized it :P

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: 2204 on April 09, 2016, 11:11:08 pm

What I think we need to do is start some community projects. People leave mostly due to lack of servers. There are barely any servers (as of right now, only 6 servers are joinable) which is why the players are leaving.

We need to make a few gamemodes. Something like: Stunting, Cops and Robbers, Roleplay, etc. Those are the most popular gamemodes on SA-MP. I am willing to help everyone host (for free) and even code some things! Though my squirrel scripting is kind of rusty because I haven't made a gamemode in like a year.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Bullseye SBT on April 10, 2016, 03:11:27 am

I only recently found LU a few months ago, it is a shame that there is only a small few people on here, it would be awesome if more could contribute to this board, in the most I have found you all to be a friendly, have you thought of contacting someone like markerplier or even one of the GTA lets players, they're always looking for new ideas for their videos, maybe that could be an opportunity to promote LU.... just a thought..


~John~

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Fredd on April 12, 2016, 05:53:06 pm

What you do not want to admit is that we (Hispanics) that have always attacked (by very high ping or anything) we gave life to this Online, many Latino people came and stayed for long in the Liberty, and even people with no intention of returning, but as a public Theremin, no servers, the only "decent" is Aurora and really does not give enough. Since any Latino player returned to tread this Online pcs not been able to keep it afloat, and now have absurd ideas upload videos to YT to attract people VC-MP, really gives me a little laughter but hey, I hope the online not die yet, but if they want to survive. Put on batteries!

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Lo que uds no quieren admitir, es que nosotros (comunidad hispana) a la que siempre han atacado, (por muy alto ping o por cualquier cosa) le dabamos vida a este Online, mucha gente Latina llegaba y se quedaba por mucho tiempo en el Liberty, y aun hay gente con intenciones de volver, pero como Theremin publico, no hay servers, lo unico " decente " es Aurora y en realidad no da lo suficiente. Desde que ningun jugador Latino volvio a pisar este Online uds no han podido mantenerlo a flote, y ahora tienen ideas absurdas de subir videos a YT para atraer gente del VC-MP, en serio me da un poco de risa pero bueno, espero que el Online no muera aun, pero si quieren que sobreviva. ¡Ponganse las pilas!

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: SugarD on May 03, 2016, 09:01:44 pm

Although I agree that LU is hurting and we need to band together to fix it, the mod is not dead or coming to an end. Those who know me well know I don't let anything I love die, ever. I'm not the only one that has LU's back, either. ;)

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Theremin on December 14, 2016, 09:02:55 am

*Bump*

I guess it's the last time I say it and they I'll go back to mind my own business, but ok here we go:
I know some people deemed LU to be dead in the past but if it ever was true it's nothing compared to now. if you open up LU browser right now you can see there are just two servers, lately I've been keeping an eye on the stats via Thijn's site, we've had three servers in total 24/7. Now one of them is gone, not sure if it's temporary or not, but I doubt it will be back up. Nonetheless I'm posting this to urge everyone who still cares about LU or about the community or just cares in general to do something as soon as possible. I think the situation is reaching a point of no return. Note this post is not to blame devs or anything, it's a post for everyone. If I was able I'd try to do the funniest and most entertaining server ever but I don't have the capabilities, and as for the rest, I tried my best in order to promote LU and increase the community, I've had my own share of that. If you have some ideas, feel free to share. If this fails I'll still be here trying to keep up my own server for the survivors, but if it's possible I urge everyone to hurry up. It's not a competition right now, if we work together we can all benefit from some sane cooperation, in my opinion we should aim to increase the playerbase and keeping the current one, which is really a big deal right now. I don't think I need to spend more words, here is my point of view, hopefully I'll be proven wrong and if it turned out I'm making it a bigger deal than it is, I'd be very pleased :). But if you think I'm right, drop some feedback here and share your opinions and ideas. Players, scripters, server owners, people that haven't finished their own project, or dropped it, even developers if possible, everyone is welcomed here.

I'd also like to add that considering what is the objective in my opinion, we should focus on that and put apart other stuff temporarily, one is for example blaming the devs, their laziness isn't a secret for anyone but you know we're people and I'm lazy too :P maybe one of the reason why they don't bother posting anything is that they fear being judged or something or that everyone would crowd them with questions which is in fact what happens everytime they show up (guess I did it too at times :-\).
So forget about anything else at the moment, if you have a project, release it now, the bugs can be fixed later, just make sure it's anything except the default gamemode, we've had enough of those. niCe, Tamas, Svenko, Ankris, Argonath's staff, MTA staff and anyone else (I know most of you won't read it but I had to try) bring your server back, if you don't want to spend money, use a crappy free host or something (who knows if Vrocker could provide hosting for free?). Doesn't matter if most server were empty or not, but for real seeing just two servers makes it look deadlier than ever. Even if there weren't much players LU still looked more alive when there were 8 or more servers, even if most of them were default gamemode or not far from there.

If anyone needs help with the common LU bugs, I have a good experience with it. I can help with some of them, (for example new scripters often don't know that boats can be easily exploited to crash clients).

Well I wrote much more than I wanted, excuse me for that. Stop lurking peeps and come out to the light before it's too late. Have a nice day!

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Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: JamesConway on December 14, 2016, 09:54:10 am

Definitely sleeping

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Vortrex on December 14, 2016, 11:33:21 am

Well, I just put my unfinished RPG script on GitHub for people to freely edit as they please. Haven't gotten too far with it, but it's a good foundation to build more. I use very long variable names, just saying.

It was started in November 2016 by Aeoris and I. He wanted the stuff he added to be removed so despite the fact he contributed it on behalf of the project, I started removing some of it. I guess he's just an asshole or something. Anyway, I haven't fully finished with that yet, but I've uploaded the already so if scripters want to add to the script they can do so the meantime. I only request that you follow the scripting style I have listed in the readme file.

We'll have an amazing RPG script soon :D

https://github.com/VortrexFTW/lu_unitedislandsrpg (https://github.com/VortrexFTW/lu_unitedislandsrpg)

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Motley on December 14, 2016, 12:20:09 pm

It's definitely sleeping.

While the time I returned for a port forward and that was with you Theremin, As soon as the server was updated and ported, four hours latter the server was being attacked by an individual of this community. No one could join, My Wine support started failing as the game was frozen in my pc's memory causing me to do a hard reset.

Therefore I honestly did not want no more part of LU, Instead I would just go back to studying squirrel. The community needs to put away their differences as you said.  But... Due you think certain individuals would do so? I hope so...

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Now it's time to become completely honest, After I am done studying SQ-Lite my intension was to delete my account on LU, As well skype, As well VCMP and fade off, As I am tired of the repeated BS. Now I really love this multiplayer. Ever since returning to a GTA III Multiplayer "referring to GGM" I was amazed with what I had seen, The dream to make the MP better were coming true a decade latter, That's when I wanted to study Squirrel.

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I might consider not leaving, Not sure.. I might want to seek help in the end of studying SQL, To create a proper release for others to be capable of using and learning from "Even though Vortex did say the SQL plugin is basically no good".

After that I think I would like to delete all of my scripts and start over from complete scratch for one last shot, As there would be no going back. If I consider, And have to put up with the BS that I have plus worst then I am officially done,..

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But I will definitely give it a few months to think on, Or something. It's 50/50. If I consider I will create something basic and fundamental.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Vortrex on December 14, 2016, 12:53:17 pm

I didn't say the plugin was "no good". I'm sure with a few tweaks, it shouldn't be an issue.
It's missing a proper escape function for strings to prevent injection. It also causes the server to hang when running a few queries.

Both of these could be fixed via scripts. An custom escape function to insert escape characters (i.e. backslash) before certain symbols in a string, then pass the string to a query function.

The server hang could probably be avoided with threads, if done properly. I tested this a few years ago and it worked fine. I've lost the script I was testing, but you could read up on the use of threads in the squirrel manual for more information on how it works. If I remember correctly, you should close the access to the database file when finished, or a separate query running in another thread won't write to the file.

Here, I threw this together in a few minutes. I haven't tested it yet, but try it and see if it works.

Code: [Select]

QueryThread <- newthread( QueryFunction );
function QueryFunction ( szQuery ) {

    local pDatabase = ::sqlite_open ( "database.db" );
    local pQuery = ::sqlite_query ( pDatabase , szQuery );
   
    ::sqlite_free ( pQuery );
    ::sqlite_close( pDatabase );
   
    return;
}
Then, to query the database, use:

Code: [Select]

QueryThread.call ( "SQL QUERY HERE" );Obviously you'll need to replace "SQL QUERY HERE" with your query string.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Theremin on December 14, 2016, 02:37:15 pm

@Motley, @James_Conway, what makes you guys so sure that it's not dead, I'd like if you could explain a little more. I hope it doesn't sound salty, just asking :-\

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Motley on December 14, 2016, 02:52:04 pm

Well theremin I could go on forever in this but.. 

There comes times people come and go. I came and went to GGM over the years in an old Clan I used to be in.

Look at the past of MTA for Gta III, People keep wanting to come back or go to it over the years, Well until this multiplayer.

With that being said this is still the same repeat.

From a personal experience, If someone were to release awesome game-play to social media, Facebook etc. Maybe asking a certain page to upload it "Popular page", I really think it would help.

GTA III is old, Really old!, People do not really realize there is such thing as a multi-player possibility for this game. If we can better prepare servers for a upcoming for a player base, Releasing awesome videos of combined game-play from different servers, That would be intense, Wouldn't take long to fool people, Like doing so and hiding post like this one.

If we worked together, We can succeed. Social media, Facebook etc is our only strong hope to create a strong! player base, Until the time many people realize they can play GTA III on a multi-player, We wont have a player base, But we need to ensure as well that developers patch these server crashers etc,
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As they will destroy that player base.......
^

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Theremin on December 14, 2016, 03:29:27 pm

Quote from: Mötley on December 14, 2016, 02:52:04 pm

But we need to ensure as well that developers patch these server crashers etc,
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As they will destroy that player base.......
^

That's exactly what I meant, I'm not saying you're wrong, I think you're totally right, but since we already know we can't count on them too much, we can go on fixing what's fixable ourselves. I mean some, of course not all, of the bugs can probably be fixed by a script workaround, we just need to figure it out, and by working together it will be of course be easier. I could open a topic and edit it when we figure out a solution and create a pack of script fixes ready to be downloaded. But right now I don't remember many bugs since I haven't played a lot lately. Looking at the issues list topics it's a good way to remember, but right now let me make up my mind, then I'll probably go on with that unless someone else does it in the meanwhile, which is good too.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: MrDamage on December 16, 2016, 04:08:12 pm

all the servers are dead.i cant play in gta.ru i can only play on Worst server 1.0.5.

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: MrDamage on December 18, 2016, 12:38:24 pm

looks like lu will die. we need more servers  :(

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:38:39 pm

LU is not dead. People making comments like that is what scares new players away.

Quote from: Theremin on December 14, 2016, 02:37:15 pm

@Motley, @James_Conway, what makes you guys so sure that it's not dead, I'd like if you could explain a little more. I hope it doesn't sound salty, just asking :-\

Pfft, who you calling salty? :)

James is actually working on Argo's LU server with me. If this mod were dead, I don't think he'd be bothering to try. :P

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Theremin on January 27, 2017, 06:22:55 pm

Quote from: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:38:39 pm

[...]

Quote from: Theremin on December 14, 2016, 02:37:15 pm

@Motley, @James_Conway, what makes you guys so sure that it's not dead, I'd like if you could explain a little more. I hope it doesn't sound salty, just asking :-\

Pfft, who you calling salty? :)
[...]

Blame my english, I was referring about myself :P

Quote from: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:31:26 pm

[...] Right now, though, no one is doing much but ****ting on the mod. [...]

Quote from: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:35:38 pm

[...] but no one is doing much but experimenting and not releasing their completed projects. [...]

I'm sorry sir but your usage of "no one" is incorrect, replace it with "the majority" or "a bunch" because I don't feel like taking any blame on at all. ::)

...and not only me, there are other people who have made positive stuff. The people shitting on this are mostly always the same ones, or unaware newcomers who have been indoctrinated or led to think that way by older lu players.

Also did you see this?

Quote from: Vortrex on December 14, 2016, 11:33:21 am

Well, I just put my unfinished RPG script on GitHub for people to freely edit as they please. Haven't gotten too far with it, but it's a good foundation to build more. I use very long variable names, just saying.

It was started in November 2016 by Aeoris and I. He wanted the stuff he added to be removed so despite the fact he contributed it on behalf of the project, I started removing some of it. I guess he's just an asshole or something. Anyway, I haven't fully finished with that yet, but I've uploaded the already so if scripters want to add to the script they can do so the meantime. I only request that you follow the scripting style I have listed in the readme file.

We'll have an amazing RPG script soon :D

https://github.com/VortrexFTW/lu_unitedislandsrpg (https://github.com/VortrexFTW/lu_unitedislandsrpg)

Vortrex is amazing and I'm sure this can be helpful for Argonath :D

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Vortrex on January 27, 2017, 06:25:38 pm

Oh no.

I haven't updated that in a while. I have a few thousand lines and a ton of patches to add to it.

I'll do it once I'm home. At work for 4 more hours.

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Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 06:33:02 pm

Quote from: Theremin on January 27, 2017, 06:22:55 pm

Quote from: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:38:39 pm

[...]

Quote from: Theremin on December 14, 2016, 02:37:15 pm

@Motley, @James_Conway, what makes you guys so sure that it's not dead, I'd like if you could explain a little more. I hope it doesn't sound salty, just asking :-\

Pfft, who you calling salty? :)
[...]

Blame my english, I was referring about myself :P

Quote from: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:31:26 pm

[...] Right now, though, no one is doing much but ****ting on the mod. [...]

Quote from: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 02:35:38 pm

[...] but no one is doing much but experimenting and not releasing their completed projects. [...]

I'm sorry sir but your usage of "no one" is incorrect, replace it with "the majority" or "a bunch" because I don't feel like taking any blame on at all. ::)

...and not only me, there are other people who have made positive stuff. The people shitting on this are mostly always the same ones, or unaware newcomers who have been indoctrinated or led to think that way by older lu players.

Also did you see this?

Quote from: Vortrex on December 14, 2016, 11:33:21 am

Well, I just put my unfinished RPG script on GitHub for people to freely edit as they please. Haven't gotten too far with it, but it's a good foundation to build more. I use very long variable names, just saying.

It was started in November 2016 by Aeoris and I. He wanted the stuff he added to be removed so despite the fact he contributed it on behalf of the project, I started removing some of it. I guess he's just an asshole or something. Anyway, I haven't fully finished with that yet, but I've uploaded the already so if scripters want to add to the script they can do so the meantime. I only request that you follow the scripting style I have listed in the readme file.

We'll have an amazing RPG script soon :D

https://github.com/VortrexFTW/lu_unitedislandsrpg (https://github.com/VortrexFTW/lu_unitedislandsrpg)

Vortrex is amazing and I'm sure this can be helpful for Argonath :D

Fair points. The majority would probably be a more proper phrase, yes. As for his RPG script, although I'm highly impressed by it, we have a partially completed set of scripts using a custom design I've been working on for years. I appreciate the thought, though. :)

Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: Vortrex on January 27, 2017, 06:38:45 pm

Yeah, that one on my github is buggy as hell.

The current copy on my PC at home has compatibility for MySQL, SQlite, and INI for data storage so whoever uses it can go by preference I suppose.

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Title: Re: The end of LU?
Post by: SugarD on January 27, 2017, 06:50:11 pm

Quote from: Vortrex on January 27, 2017, 06:38:45 pm

Yeah, that one on my github is buggy as hell.

The current copy on my PC at home has compatibility for MySQL, SQlite, and INI for data storage so whoever uses it can go by preference I suppose.

Sweet! I'd love to see more RPG servers popping up.